Yan Bibiyan

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  Earthquakes....

  by SatoriCE in

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  the topic of earthquakes marking the "last days" was brought up with interactions i have had with a few different witnesses.

  can someone please explain the exact significance of earthquakes that jw's have?!

  can you please also include any links to actual facts that contradict their views of earthquakes.

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  Paul has an excellent and very easy to follow outline on his JWFacts website.

  (Paul, I hope you didn't mind some extra traffic )

  -Yan
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  My mom throws a not so subtle threat my way

  by JWinprotest in

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  my fade is going well, but my mom knows full well what my thoughts are on the wts.

  it seems that she feels comfortable just ignoring the situation in order to keep seeing her grandchildren.. the other day however we were talking about someone we know who is making it very difficult for her parents to see their grandchild.. then out of the blue, my mom turns in my direction and says, that if any of her kids try to deny her from seeing her grandchildren, she would take them to court and get a court order to force them to let her see them.. i know what the message was, and it was loud and clear.

  she is letting me know that if i get disfellowshipped there's no way i can keep the kids away from her.

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  On a second thought - it's real simple:

  They are YOUR kids; she had her turn in directing traffic when you were HER kid.
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  Why I Like the "Proclaimers" Book

  by t33ap80c in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  while it is true that the "proclaimers" book is not always as open and honest about the society's history as it claims to be, it is open and honest enough to bring into question the society claim to being god's organization.

  it's a matter of (1) knowing what to look for, (2) where to find it and then, (3) to be able get the sense of what it means.. take for example the extremely important matter of the second coming of christ.... on the top of page 47 the book truthfully explains how president charles russell came to believe that jesus returned invisibly in 1874 to begin his second coming ("invisible presence").

  and then a careful reading of the footnote on page 133 shows that the date of jesus' return was not changed to 1914 until 1943.. it is likely that even if some witnesses notice that fact, they do not get the sense of what it means.

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  There is another gem in the video posted by Agonus:

  @~3:20, David Splane says twice in a 30 second interval that at the time (shortly after Russel's death, but before the appointment of Rutherford i.e. circa 1916) it was EVIDENT that Jehovah had already chosen this organization to continue with the earthly work.

  Wait a minute!

  Didn't the examination and appointment happen in 1919? By Jesus?

  If it was EVIDENT that Jehovah had already chosen the Org in 1916, why did Jesus even bother examining religion in 1919? Did he go against his father's will?

  If Jesus somehow misunderstood the will of Jehovah, how can David Splane be so sure about it 100 years later?

  Just wondering....
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  My mom throws a not so subtle threat my way

  by JWinprotest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my fade is going well, but my mom knows full well what my thoughts are on the wts.

  it seems that she feels comfortable just ignoring the situation in order to keep seeing her grandchildren.. the other day however we were talking about someone we know who is making it very difficult for her parents to see their grandchild.. then out of the blue, my mom turns in my direction and says, that if any of her kids try to deny her from seeing her grandchildren, she would take them to court and get a court order to force them to let her see them.. i know what the message was, and it was loud and clear.

  she is letting me know that if i get disfellowshipped there's no way i can keep the kids away from her.

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  Hmmm..go to court? That tends to be expensive, as "only me" pointed above.

  They have that kind of cash to throw around? For self-serving purposes? Wouldn't that cash be way more helpful if contributed to the Worldwide Preaching Work?

  Hey, ma, how about you don't shun me, I don't keep the kids away from you? Deal?

  They can dish it, but they can't take it
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  History repeats itself

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does this documentary about the roman inquisition remind you of anything?

  copy and past link into your browser or google secret files of the inquisition: the war on ideas.

  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8555967476670491514#.

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  Nothing to add to the OP...but...stache, Welcome to the board!
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  Do you miss "dressing up" for the meetings?

  by dozy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was thinking about this the other day when doing a bit of tidying up of my wardrobe.

  all the kh suits are now pushed to the back of the wardrobe and i am seriously thinking about a visit to the charity shop to get rid of most of them.. for me one of the (few) enjoyable aspects of being a jw was getting dressed up.

  my secular work very rarely involves putting on a dress suit & tie so i miss getting dressed up - smart suit , tie , shiny shoes , slapping on the aftershave.

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  Fu#k NO!
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  2011 district convention

  by obarac in

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  somebody know the theme of this years district convention or is still top secret?.

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  Very, very likely explanation belbab....
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  1/1/11 WT Using One Myth to Support Another

  by WalkTall in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought this was pretty hysterical and something that i would have never noticed before i woke up.

  in the jan 1 wt under the heading 'was the garden of eden a real place?

  part of the reasoning they use as to why no one could find the garden of eden even though there are specifics in genesis identifying it's location is because "the flood of noah's day may have altered the topography in ways that we simply cannot know today".

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  Brother WTWizard, is that independent thinking you are trying to use here
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  Arrangement

  by Yan Bibiyan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  arrangement is probably one of the most misapplied words in the wt lingo.

  its frequency of appearance in the watchtower alone is 180 times greater than the bible itself (from 2008 wt cd - arrangement is used 2333 times in the watchtower publication vs. only 13 times in the bible).. when speaking of an arrangement, one is conditioned to expect a conscious effort aimed for betterment.. in a musical arrangement for example, musicians put an effort to sequence, harmonize and combine musical instruments into a composition of sounds that best conveys the composers ideas and creative force.

  in a flower arrangement, the florist uses individual flowers to put together a visually pleasing bouquet.

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  Arrangement is probably one of the most misapplied words in the WT lingo. Its frequency of appearance in the Watchtower alone is 180 times greater than the Bible itself (from 2008 WT CD - “Arrangement” is used 2333 times in The Watchtower publication vs. only 13 times in the Bible).

  When speaking of an “arrangement”, one is conditioned to expect a conscious effort aimed for betterment.

  In a musical arrangement for example, musicians put an effort to sequence, harmonize and combine musical instruments into a composition of sounds that best conveys the composer’s ideas and creative force. In a flower arrangement, the florist uses individual flowers to put together a visually pleasing bouquet. In a seating arrangement, chars are situated in the best possible way for the audience to experience the presented program….you get the idea.

  Enter the Watch Tower.

  Disfellowshiping and resulting shunning is arguably one of the top ten WT practices that rightfully draw heavy criticism. Making it an “arrangement” not only does not help soften the resulting blow, but actually adds an insult to the injury by trying to present this harsh and unbiblical act as some kind of love! Disfellowshipping results in the spiritual, social, and sometimes physical death of the disfellowshipped.

  Lets see if used as “arrangements” other inhumane acts are more appealing:

  The Nazi gas chambers could be: “Confined Space Chemical Asphyxiation Arrangement”

  The Stalin firing squads could be: “Supersonic Lead Projectile Piercing Arrangement”

  Iranian public hangings could be: “Gravity-Assisted Vertebrae Separation Arrangement”

  Al-Qaida suicide bombers could be: “Shock Wave Tissue Separation Arrangement”

  Death by lethal injection could be: “Barbiturate, Paralytic, and Potassium Solution Overdose Arrangement”

  Sugarcoating does not change the underlying act; it makes it appear worse because of the added level of insincerity.

  Its about time for the Governing Body to "get it" and change its practices before completely throwing the religion into the “Soiled Adult Diaper Arrangement”.

  -Yan
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  I'm going to end my "bible" study

  by KristiKay in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted a while back, i've been studying with a nice jehovas witness lady for probably about 6 months.

  after a few weeks i googled a few things (earthquakes, how long we've been on earth, ect.

  ) i realised she was very misinformed.

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  Yan Bibiyan

  You go girl!

  I second everything that was said above. Good for you using your God-given ability to "discern" (a nice JW buzzword)!

  -Yan